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[X2go-dev] x2go with Gnome 3 ?
John Williams
2011-05-02 09:15:38 UTC
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Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?

I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one
stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being
suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it
seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back,
otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I
end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of
apps, and that is all.

If no one has gotten x2go working with Gnome 3, can anyone suggest
where I need to start looking to solve the problem? I don't really
know where to start. I already tried /usr/bin/gnome-session as a
custom command from the x2go client, but that made no difference, and
now I am stuck on what to look at to troubleshoot the problem.
John A. Sullivan III
2011-05-02 21:11:30 UTC
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Post by John Williams
Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?
I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one
stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being
suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it
seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back,
otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I
end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of
apps, and that is all.
If no one has gotten x2go working with Gnome 3, can anyone suggest
where I need to start looking to solve the problem? I don't really
know where to start. I already tried /usr/bin/gnome-session as a
custom command from the x2go client, but that made no difference, and
now I am stuck on what to look at to troubleshoot the problem.
<snip>
I don't know the answer and do not use Gnome. However, when faced with
such unknowing, I usually start adding debug statements to the various
scripts. This can be as simple as an "echo 'I am in such and such a
part of the script'" when you can see output or a logger command (logger
-t "X2Go PROBLEM " "I am in such and such a part of the script") when I
cannot see output. At least, you can then narrow down where it is
breaking. Hope that helps - John
Milan Knížek
2011-05-03 19:59:31 UTC
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V Mon, 2 May 2011 02:15:38 -0700
Post by John Williams
Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?
I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one
stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being
suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it
seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back,
otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I
end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of
apps, and that is all.
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade,
have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go
(compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...

Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a
fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3.
(Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn
2011.)

This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME
replacement...

Regards,
Milan
John A. Sullivan III
2011-05-03 21:06:52 UTC
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Post by Milan Knížek
V Mon, 2 May 2011 02:15:38 -0700
Post by John Williams
Has anyone successfully run x2goserver(-one) with Gnome 3 ?
I just upgraded my Archlinux system to Gnome 3, and x2goserver-one
stopped working with Gnome. It gave a message about hardware not being
suitable and it is reverting to gnome fallback. Unfortunately, it
seems it was a one-time message, but I cannot get the message back,
otherwise I would post the exact error message. What happens is that I
end up with an x2go session with a plain desktop and a couple menus of
apps, and that is all.
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade,
have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go
(compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...
Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a
fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3.
(Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn
2011.)
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME
replacement...
<snip> Interesting. Sounds similar to our desire to stay with KDE3
rather than transition to KDE4 thus we've been using the Trinity desktop
(http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net) - John
John Williams
2011-05-03 23:28:31 UTC
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Post by Milan Knížek
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade,
have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go
(compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...
Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a
fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3.
(Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn
2011.)
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME
replacement...
No, I did not use a compositing window manager, just the default Gnome
2 settings which did work fine with x2go.

The "fallback" with Gnome 3 is not at all similar to "normal" Gnome.
It is not really a desktop environment at all -- seems like just a
window manager.

I have never tried KDE before, but I tried it after having this
problem. I could not stand it, and it had some compatibility problems
(it would not work properly with gnome-terminal -- the windows kept
auto-shrinking themselves).

Then I tried LXDE, and that works great with x2go and all my usual
programs. I also like the feel of it, and it seems fast (KDE felt slow
to me). So it looks like I am switching to LXDE.
Jo-Erlend Schinstad
2011-05-04 07:26:52 UTC
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Post by John Williams
Post by Milan Knížek
Gnome 3 requires a hw support from the video card. Before the upgrade,
have you successfully used some compositing window manager through x2go
(compiz, metacity with compositing enabled)? I doubt so...
Up until now, I have not heard any news that Gnome 3 would provide a
fallback, which would be visually similar to the "normal" Gnome 3.
(Canonical has such a plan for its Unity - to be released in autumn
2011.)
Right. It isn't possible to use accelerated graphics with NX -- at
least for the time being. I'd be more than a little surprised if that
was to change in the near future. Another problem with these new
shells is the growing number of unnecessary animations, even when they
don't require acceleration. They still kill the performance for
NX-based thin clients. Unity 2D has that problem as well. You need to
scroll the launcher, for instance, and since this doesn't look the
same every time, NX doesn't really optimize it that much. Unity 2D is
available in the Ubuntu repositories already btw, and they've provided
an NX-based test for it, using Nomachines Web Companion:
http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive (Remember to check Ubuntu 11.04 using
Unity 2D.)
Post by John Williams
Post by Milan Knížek
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME
replacement...
Well, Gnome is more than a shell. It's quite possible to use
Xfce4-panel with the rest of Gnome, or LXPanel if you want to.
Gnome-panel will also be available for a long time, so there's no need
to rush into radical changes.
Post by John Williams
I have never tried KDE before, but I tried it after having this
problem. I could not stand it, and it had some compatibility problems
(it would not work properly with gnome-terminal -- the windows kept
auto-shrinking themselves).
I've run KDE4 using X2go and it's seemed to work just fine. I don't
really like KDE4 though, so I haven't stuck with it, but it should be
a viable option.
Post by John Williams
Then I tried LXDE, and that works great with x2go and all my usual
programs. I also like the feel of it, and it seems fast (KDE felt slow
to me). So it looks like I am switching to LXDE.
Yes, LXDE is a brilliant environment and perfectly suited for terminal
servers. It really is very fast; on my laptop it's ready for use in
less than two seconds while all the others take ten or more. The
differences will probably be smaller on a terminal server though. You
should also have a look at Xfce, which is more like Gnome 2, but
slightly less demanding. I really like both of them.

If you're using Ubuntu, you might be interested to know that the
appindicators (the replacement for notification area and stuff in
gnome-panel and Unity) are supposed to be available for both LXDE and
Xfce as well. I really like that little piece of software and it makes
the panels in both DEs more useful, I think. Appindicators are not
included in LXPanel or Xfce4-panel by default for performance reasons,
and I haven't tried them in those panels myself, but I've been told
enabling them doesn't require magic.

Since you said you're looking for a replacement for Gnome, I want to
add something: Xfce4-panel is able to run Gnome-panel applets, which
may be very useful. I do think Xfce4 is a natural replacement if you
want to stick with the Gnome2 experience while at the same time using
software that's actively developed, more lightweight and more suitable
for terminal servers. But LXDE is great too; I really love both of
them. :)

I hope this is of use to you, and please write about your experiences.

Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Milan Knížek
2011-05-05 17:26:35 UTC
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V Wed, 4 May 2011 09:26:52 +0200
Post by Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Post by Milan Knížek
This is by the way the reason, why I am in a search for a GNOME
replacement...
Since you said you're looking for a replacement for Gnome, I want to
add something: Xfce4-panel is able to run Gnome-panel applets, which
may be very useful. I do think Xfce4 is a natural replacement if you
want to stick with the Gnome2 experience while at the same time using
software that's actively developed, more lightweight and more suitable
for terminal servers. But LXDE is great too; I really love both of
them. :)
A change is always a trouble: I got used to dockbarx GNOME applet (it
takes care about minimise/maximise/run_only_once, takes very little
space on the panel and works also without 3D effects), which should run
under xfce panel thanks to xfapplet. The trouble is, the latter applet
crashes in Arch linux).

I will investigate more when the time allows and let the list know.

regards,
Milan

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